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  • UK bellhanging firms
    Barbara - you may get more replies related to swift boxes and sound control if you start a new discussion, rather than continuing this one long one.

    There is specialist information about swift boxes on websites such as those of the RSPB but of course they do not specifically consider bells! Logically, i would not like to be a swift in a box enclosed on the noisy side of the sound control! But I am not an expert on these installations.

    Interestingly, there are at least 2 recent articles on swifts in towers in The Ringing World - see 2019 page 1172, and 2018 page 1224

    The CCCBR also has information about sound control generally on the website here (towards the bottom of the Infrastructure tab):
    https://cccbr.org.uk/resources/stewardship-and-management/
  • Early recruitment poster
    .... so what is it that gives the feeling that supporting the Scouts for church parade takes precedence over the bell ringing?

    I am not saying that there is a "right or wrong", just asking the question?
  • Public Appreciation of Quality
    Yes, people do notice, for example half muffled ringing gets comments such as "oh, the bells sounded different today"
  • Method Repertoire
    AJ - but were they ringing the old standard 8 before covid struck?
    If so, then jumping into pickled eggs post covid may put off some (perhaps the pickling spice may be too spiced).
    Once confident with the old favourites, that may then be the time to move on gently.

    If there has been a relapse from pickled eggs to the old 8, then gentle reminders are probably worth trying.
  • Bell muffles for Remembrance Sunday, funerals etc
    Two muffles on each clapper is what I assume. That may make securing them quite tricky with the buckles / velcro / laces etc. But someone like Philip Pratt may have another suggestion.
  • UK bellhanging firms
    Barbara - I do not intend to comment on specific companies, but what I advise is go back to your request for advice and compare the quotes in detail. Look at each item side by side so that you can see the similarities and differences. How does each contractor meet the requirements that you requested?

    I hope that you have found the information about bell projects on the CCCBR website here: https://cccbr.org.uk/resources/stewardship-and-management/
    under the Major Projects tab.
    In particular, the "Top Tips for bell projects" document summarises key points to consider.

    If you would like more help, then contact me by email () - we may be able to help regarding comparing the contracts factually, but will not give opinions about the bell hangers. As you know, it is the church that makes the final decision on the contract.
  • CO2 Monitors
    AJ - there are better experts than myself but the type of filters required to remove virus is very expensive and would be simply uneconomic and not practical for churches (think of the labs that do such work and the filtration that they use). I think it must be woolly jumpers and keep ringing to keep warm!
  • CO2 Monitors
    Does anyone have experience of this one by Envisense? From the information online, it appears to operate stand alone, but may be connect to a PC to view the data more easily.

    https://www.envisense.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIz8ahy-7s8wIVumDmCh37pws1EAAYAiAAEgK9M_D_BwE

    This would be easier to take to towers and lend out as it would appear to operate independently of any other any other equipment or technology that people own.
  • Roller Coaster
    I think it may be 3216549870
  • CO2 Monitors
    What is anyone's view on which specific CO2 meter to buy please? What is their availability, ease of use, effectiveness, cost etc for such monitors? Are they stand alone or do they need a laptop / phone or similar to present the results.
  • Bats in the belfry?
    This was a very good session. A few key points -
    - Bats are present in well over 50% of churches (probably closer to 90% in the older ones) (they do not have up to date data)
    - Different species use different spaces - some simply hang on rafters, some hide in cracks in wood, stone etc.
    - Bats use different spaces at different times of the year
    - Just because there are no signs of bats does not mean that there are none!
    - It is far better to get advice and help in checking for bats before any project starts - not doing so could lead to disturbance of the bats or their roosts - either risks prosecution
    - National Bats Helpline - https://www.bats.org.uk/our-work/national-bat-helpline
    - Free advice will often be available - talk to them!
    - Finding bats does not necessarily prevent a project going ahead. Advice will be given on what to do when bats or roosts are found.

    (More information is available on line using a search)
  • Rope spiders
    Yes, good point. A key feature of the design and installation is that the spider should be prevented from being lowered too far ie stop above head height of most / all taller people. Some spiders are decorative wooden or metal objects, but very heavy in consequence.

    Conversely, the spider does need to be heavy enough and the pulley mechanism free enough for the spider to come down when released (and not before). I do recall a tower where the pulley did not run freely so we had to stand on various objects to help the spider down. Not what was intended!
  • Bell muffles for Remembrance Sunday, funerals etc
    Thanks Mark - yes, the leather straps do need to be very tightly buckled or they will slip round. The key point is to take up any slack left when the buckle holes are not quite in the best position. I have seen some people use rubber strips (typically old bike tubing) as a spacer or even blue tack - but blue tack is rather messy!

    The muffles in the local tower that I used last week were designed with a strap on one side plus leather laces on the other. The lacing did not fix the muffle firmly enough but someone had obviously also found this so there were 6 large jubilee clips in the box that could be tightened over the leather that would have been laced. No problem with the muffles slipping, but next time i would inset a strip of rubber inner tube between the leather and jubilee clip - i fear that the jubilee clips would cut into the leather if the bells were rung for example for a quarter or longer.
  • Height of sallies
    A typical approach to avoid repeated changing of rope length is to have a few strong boxes available so that shorter ringers can stand on one of these with the rope adjusted for ringers who may be taller. Being short even relative to many fellow female ringers, I am more often than not looking round for a box before ringing. I even made a couple for a local tower where I ring occasionally so that I would have one to use when required!
  • Rope spiders
    Yes, ringers may think that a locked ringing room door will prevent access to the ropes. However, there are usually several sets of keys held by various people and permission may well be given for someone to access the ringing room for what is a legitimate reason - clearing the gutters, cleaning windows, testing electrical equipment etc. Hooks round the walls still leave the ropes at hand height whereas as ropes on a spider will mean that the ropes are out of reach and have to be positively "let down" before they are accessed.

    Regarding "ringers' knots", as David says, there are many variations and what style is used to mean that a bell is up or a bell is down is not universal and certainly not to be relied on.
  • CO2 Monitors
    John - there was quite an extensive article in The Ringing World a few weeks ago. Have you seen that?
  • Tower Captain
    Hello Allen - https://cccbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SM_Appt_of_TowerCaptain_2020_Ver_1.pdf

    Here is a link that may help you; let us know if you would like further information.