On the other hand if I go to a simulator practice the content is pretty certain to be advertised in advance and I can decide if it's right for me. — John de Overa
This discussion seems to be going down the path of blaming everything on a nonexistent caricature of ringing. — John Harrison
you mean a session where people can each ring with a simulator — John Harrison
I question the assumption that the organisation won't change but the members would if given the chance. That doesn't fit our experience. — John Harrison
I don't think we should downplay the seriousness of the problems ringing faces in some areas just because it's not universal. — John de Overa
Many ringers are only interested in ringing at their own towers and do not want to progress, let alone improve. — Sue Marsden
In central government there have been numerous attempts to solve problems with restructures. These normally eased problems in some areas, but then created all new problems in others. What they always failed to address was that the capabilities and resources of those within any of the structures didn’t change merely because they’ve been restructured. — Alan C
We also might be able to do something about the replacement rate, ensuring that we can at least suitably replace everyone who steps down from leadership and organisation.
We also know that there are a number of people fed up with the current system, and thus reforming the system and attracting them back to organising and leading ringing could inject additional capabilities and resources into the system. — Tristan Lockheart
As a relatively new ringer, I still remember seeing a "Ringing Masters Practice" and the immediate thought was "Definitely not for me !" , expecting that they will be ringing "high brow" stuff, and because it was never explained, I still don;t know what they are, but I know enough people now that a) I feel I can ask without embarrassment and b) even if it is way above the level that I ring at, there will probably be an opportunity to hunt the treble to something, or bong behind at some point so I would go along with that sort of expectation, but my point is that I wouldn't have done that a couple of years ago ( pre-covid ) and in fact I didn't. — Steve Farmer
That's an interesting point, but what would be attracting these people back? Presumably this is people who just live somewhere where they are fed up with the leadership of their local branch or district? Knowing that they could operate outside the existing 'system'? I have come across situations where people have thought they cannot organise some ringing because it was not in some way "approved". — Simon Linford
it takes someone in every tower to stand up and take on the responsibility for ensuring that all ringers have the support to improve themselves, they then can look around for, or even arrange sessions to suit. — Lucy Chandhial
That's one of the structural issues with ringing - you need a thought leader at every tower to drive things forward; there simply aren't enough to go around (even perhaps only for towers with 10 bells or more). The tower leaders are probably the most important (and critical) people in ringing. We all need to be fostering leadership and organising skills, even at an early stage. — Tristan Lockheart
We all need to be fostering leadership and organising skills, even at an early stage — Tristan Lockheart
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